by stopping legal hunting and legal importation, then what is in effect happening is that the actually opposite effect of that desired, which is to lose elephants.

The question is should we put limits on the amount of sports trophies that come back, and we are proposing two.

The money that is necessary in Zimbabwe to protect the elephants comes from the hunters themselves.

It is inappropriate, in fact, I think unconstitutional to require someone to be guilty until proven innocent.

So as a result of one or two cases of significant, substantial amounts that you claim today... you are saying that we should now deem all owners of ivory... that it no longer has any value...

We are going to have to go after the middle men, the source, the other major consumers, but we are going to have to set an example here.

What has happened? Tell me what is different.

It is clear that the rate of illegal killing that African elephants have experienced is tragic.

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who would have more of an invested interest in conservation than hunters themselves; the same for fishermen.

I remain hopeful that the Fish and Wildlife Service will listen to reason and not criminalize millions of Americans who legally own ivory.

The simple truth is that if wildlife have no economic value, there is little if any incentive for people who live in that habitat to conserve or save them.

The Transportation Security Administration ensures the security of the traveling public using a multi-layered approach.

Highly-trained canine teams comprise a small part of this approach, but when used in an efficient and smart manner, they are an extremely effective tool within a larger toolbox that can thwart nefarious actors.

I am hoping that steps beyond what we are discussing today, which needs to be further discussed and refined, can be taken by the United States which will go to trade sanctions.

Simply closing the U.S. market and prohibiting the import-export, interstate and intra-state sale of elephant ivory will not save elephants in the ivory producing states.

Again, sir, you are not answering my question. My question is what has changed in recent history. What is new?

What happens to them if we just turn them around?